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CLEMSON -- In November of 2008, this writer stood in the kitchen of Dabo Swinney's home informally chatting about all manner of topics.
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The reason for the visit was to learn more about Swinney's tumultuous upbringing and how it shaped the man who, against all odds, was making a run at becoming Clemson's head coach.
Like most casual conversations with Swinney, this one meandered in many different directions as his wife Kathleen stood nearby and participated.